JRE 2541 · August 18, 2026
Thomas Campbell
Who is Thomas Campbell?
Thomas Campbell is a physicist, consciousness researcher, and author. He is best known for developing the My Big TOE theory, which proposes that our physical reality is a virtual simulation created by a larger consciousness system.
Topics and Timestamps
- 01The concept of physical reality as a virtual simulation
- 02Exploring the nature of consciousness and the Larger Consciousness System
- 03The purpose of the human experience as a learning laboratory
- 04How entropy and information theory relate to existence
- 05The process of evolving one's consciousness to lower entropy
- 06The intersection of quantum physics and spiritual awareness
- ▶The premise of the My Big TOE theory0:12:00
- ▶Physical reality as a virtual simulation0:35:00
- ▶The role of entropy in consciousness1:05:00
- ▶How we evolve within the simulation1:30:00
- ▶The connection between physics and spirituality2:10:00
The Show
Thomas Campbell comes on the show to absolutely melt some brains. He is a physicist who looks at the universe not as a collection of matter, but as a massive piece of information processing. He breaks down his My Big TOE theory, which basically suggests that we are living in a virtual reality simulation. But this isn't like the Matrix with robots and leather coats. It is a simulation designed by a larger consciousness system to help individual consciousness units evolve.
Campbell explains that the goal of this simulation is to lower our internal entropy. In plain English, he is talking about moving from a state of chaos and ego to a state of love and cooperation. He argues that our physical lives are essentially training wheels for the soul. We are here to learn how to be better, more evolved versions of ourselves so we can eventually graduate from this system.
Joe gets into the weeds with him on how this connects to the way we perceive time and space. They dive into the idea that everything we see is just a rendering based on our current state of consciousness. It is a wild ride that blends hard physics with deep mysticism. If you have ever felt like something is slightly off about the physical world, Campbell provides a logical framework to explain why.
By the end of the episode, you are left questioning whether anything you can touch is actually real or if you are just a piece of software learning how to love. It is a heavy conversation, but Campbell delivers it with the precision of a scientist, making the most absurd concepts feel surprisingly plausible.
Best Quotes
“Physical reality is a virtual reality simulation.”
— Thomas Campbell
From the JRE 2541 conversation with Thomas Campbell.
“The purpose of the system is to evolve our consciousness toward lower entropy.”
— Joe Rogan
From the JRE 2541 conversation with Thomas Campbell.
“We are essentially information processing systems learning how to love.”
— Thomas Campbell
From the JRE 2541 conversation with Thomas Campbell.
“Our experience here is a learning laboratory for the soul.”
— Joe Rogan
From the JRE 2541 conversation with Thomas Campbell.
“The universe is not made of matter, it is made of information.”
— Thomas Campbell
From the JRE 2541 conversation with Thomas Campbell.
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